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Tuesday, October 18, 2005

Mormonism: Jehovah of the Old Testament was in fact Jesus. The father of this Jesus-Jehovah was Elohim - who is God. And he - God - was once a man.


Some interesting aspects of Mormon theology, from LDS-Mormon.com:

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One of the more curious evolutions in Mormon theology is that of God. Any active member of the LDS faith will now tell you that Jehovah of the Old Testament was in fact Jesus and the father of this Jehovah-Jesus is God or Elohim. In fact, LDS church leaders' January 1, 2000 proclamation confirms this changed belief. Both of these supposed beings have bodies. When this same Mormon begins to read some of the writings of the early church leaders (including the first edition of the Book of Mormon) they are generally surprised to find out that this wasn't always the doctrine of the church.

Up to the turn of the 20th Century the LDS Church taught, like the rest of Christianity, that Jehovah was the Father. With the turn of the century and new interpretations, such as that given by James Talmage in Jesus the Christ and The Articles of Faith, the concept started to change. Joseph Smith Jr. believed Jehovah and Elohim to be one in the same (The Father) and Jesus to be Jesus (The Son).

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So, as stated by the LDS Church leadership in their January 1, 2000 proclamation...

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As we commemorate the birth of Jesus Christ two millennia ago, we offer our testimony of the reality of His matchless life and the infinite virtue of His great atoning sacrifice. None other has had so profound an influence upon all who have lived and will yet live upon the earth.

He was the Great Jehovah of the Old Testament, the Messiah of the New. Under the direction of His Father, He was the creator of the earth. "All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made" (John 1:3).

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On other aspects of LDS theology, from exmormon.com:

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Mormonism includes many other unusual doctrines which you will probably not be told about until you have been in the church for a long time. These doctrines are not revealed to investigators or new converts because those people are not yet considered ready to have more than "milk" as doctrine. The Mormons also probably realize that if investigators knew of these unusual teachings they would not join the church. In addition to those mentioned elsewhere in this article, the following are noteworthy: [See above link for citations].

- God was once a man like us.
- God has a tangible body of flesh and bone.
- God lives on a planet near the star Kolob.
- God ("Heavenly Father") has at least one wife, our "Mother in Heaven," but she is so holy that we are not to discuss her nor pray to her.
- We can become like God and rule over our own universe.
- There are many gods, ruling over their own worlds.
- Jesus and Satan ("Lucifer") are brothers, and they are our brothers - we are all spirit children of Heavenly Father
- Jesus Christ was conceived by God the Father by having sex with Mary, who was temporarily his wife.
- We should not pray to Jesus, nor try to feel a personal relationship with him.
- "God" ("Jehovah") in the Old Testament is the being named Jesus in the New Testament.
- In the the highest degree of the celestial kingdom some men will have more than one wife.
- Before coming to this earth we lived as spirits in a "pre-existence", during which we were tested; our position in this life (whether born to Mormons or savages, or in America or Africa) is our reward or punishment for our obedience in that life.
- Dark skin is a curse from God, the result of our sin, or the sin of our ancestors. If sufficiently righteous, a dark-skinned person will become light-skinned.
- The Garden of Eden was in Missouri. All humanity before the Great Flood lived in the western hemisphere. The Ark transported Noah and the other survivors to the eastern hemisphere.

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One controversail Mormon (former) belief relates to polygamy. Incredibly, the rule allowing polygamy is STILL covenant number 132 in the Mormon "Book of Doctrine and Covenants." At the end of this Covenanet 132 is an amendment by the Church President in the 1800's who rescinded this rule permitting polygamy - after the U.S. Congress said Utah could not join the United States if this rule was still in place. So the LDS Church left the rule in place, but just amended it - citing instrucion from God to do so - so that polygamy has from then and thereafter been forbidden in the official LDS Church. Breakaway sects still practice it though.

Next, some thoughts on the procedure for Mormons to join a temple. Again, via LDS-Mormon.com:

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What are [Mormon] Temples?

According to Mormon Apostle Bruce R. McConkie, "Holy sanctuaries wherein sacred ordinances, rites and ceremonies are performed which pertain to salvation and exaltation in the kingdom of God are called temples. They are the most sacred places of worship on earth; each one is literally a House of the Lord, a house of the great Creator, a house where he and his Spirit may dwell, to which he may come, or send his messengers, to confer priesthood and keys and give revelation to his people" (Mormon Doctrine, 1979 ed., pp.779-780).

Once a Mormon temple is dedicated only faithful Mormons who bear a temple recommend may enter. The temple recommend is like a license or dues card, and a new one must be obtained each year. Possession of a temple recommend indicates that the bearer is in full faith and fellowship with the Church. In order to obtain a temple recommend, one must answer a series of questions in a temple recommend interview.

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Here is a copy of a sample "temple recommend."


A sample Mormon "temple recommend" - which is needed by Mormon's to enter one of their temples.



Here are the questions asked in the temple reccomend interview (so they can be issued on the the above "temple recommends"):

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1 Do you have faith in and a testimony of God the Eternal Father, His Son Jesus Christ, and the Holy Ghost?

2 Do you have a testimony of the Atonement of Christ and of His role as Savior and Redeemer?

3 Do you have a testimony of the restoration of the gospel in these the latter days?

4 Do you sustain the President of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints as the Prophet, Seer, and Revelator and as the only person on the earth who possesses and is authorized to exercise all priesthood keys? Do you sustain members of the First Presidency and the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles as prophets, seers, and revelators? Do you sustain the other General Authorities and local authorities of the Church?

5 Do you live the law of chastity?

6 Is there anything in your conduct relating to members of your family that is not in harmony with the teachings of the Church?

7 Do you support, affiliate with, or agree with any group or individual whose teachings or practices are contrary to or oppose those accepted by the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints?

8 Do you strive to keep the covenants you have made, to attend your sacrament and other meetings, and to keep your life in harmony with the laws and commandments of the gospel?

9 Are you honest in your dealings with your fellowmen?

10 Are you a full-tithe payer?

11 Do your keep the Word of Wisdom?

12 Do you have financial or other oblgations to a former spouse or children? If yes, are you current in meeting those obligations?

13 If you have previously received your temple endowment:

Do you keep the covenants that you made in the temple?
Do you wear the garment both night and day as instructed in the endowment and in accordance with the covenant you made in the temple?

14 Have there been any sins or misdeeds in your life that should have been resolved with priesthood authorities but have not been?

15 Do you consider yourself worthy to enter the Lord's house and participate in temple ordinances?

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The LDS-Mormon explanations of their faith do not, in fairness, say most of the above. The official LDS-Mormon explanations of their beliefs are available here. The main web site of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints is here.

2 Comments:

  • At 10:19 PM, Blogger isha said…

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  • At 10:23 PM, Blogger isha said…

    thank you for trying to keep a balanced view of both sides...thank you for referencing the church websites...it was nice to read that you tried to cite both views...

    a lot of times people just twist things a little to make it sound totally opposite from what it really is...a lot of people become extremely bitter when they leave the church, and they twist things....most of these comments had a bit of that in it...


    - We should not pray to Jesus, nor try to feel a personal relationship with him. *(we seal our prayers in jesus' name, and I have a VERY personal relationship with him....this is misinformed..)*

    - Before coming to this earth we lived as spirits in a "pre-existence", during which we were tested; our position in this life (whether born to Mormons or savages, or in America or Africa) is our reward or punishment for our obedience in that life. *( not true....or positions in life weren't "rewards" we each needed to be challenged in different ways, and we each have different missions or things that we have the opportunity to accomplish in our lives, so we have the set-up that we need to accomplish our "missions" if you will.)*
    - Dark skin is a curse from God, the result of our sin, or the sin of our ancestors. If sufficiently righteous, a dark-skinned person will become light-skinned. *(the samoans weren't cursed...and I know plenty of righteous african americans that haven't become light skinned...they are taking a half truth and twisting it to sound racist...)*

    I think another thing to remember about the LDS church is that there is a difference in how we view theology and doctrine....people outside the church tend to view theology as doctrine...Doctrine is the basic truths, the "milk" if you will: Heavenly father, Jesus Christ and the holy ghost are 3 seperate entities but all members of the godhead, the book of mormon is true, sin seperates us from god, the atonment allows us to cleanse ourselves of sin, we are all trying to return to God, we need to live right, follow the commandments and try to be good people; we are divine children of god...(these are examples)

    when members start to speculate from the BASIC truths, it becomes theology...I know it's easy to mistake the two, especially when members teach classes, since we don't have paid clergy, sometimes things can get a little skewed, that's why I have found it important in my life not to base my "testimony" on how members act or the mean things they can sometimes say..I base my worship on the basic truths....and thats what is really important...sometimes we make things so complicated :) lol...

    thank you again, and I hope my comment helped a little...
    -isha

     

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